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ceiling. by cutting back on capital investment, and not firing people. there was a lot of anecdotal evidence over that, that they were waiting this out. that maybe they thought this time around it was more bluff and bluster than reality that we'd hit the debt ceiling. and that seems to have paid off. people don't -- employers don't like to fire employees. not only because of, you know, being gentle human beings but because it's costly for them to do that. they tried to hold on. what we seemed to be seeing here right now is i held my exuberance last week because i thought it was a one-off seasonal adjustment thing and you do have to be careful in the month of january, as people come off the rolls because of the seasonal hiring. and there's still some reason for skepticism. but staying down at this level for a second week, joe, we've always said 350 was the bottom of the range, and we're putting in a new bottom down there this 330 that you've got to think about. probably payrolls up near 200,000
ceiling. by cutting back on capital investment, and not firing people. there was a lot of anecdotal evidence over that, that they were waiting this out. that maybe they thought this time around it was more bluff and bluster than reality that we'd hit the debt ceiling. and that seems to have paid off. people don't -- employers don't like to fire employees. not only because of, you know, being gentle human beings but because it's costly for them to do that. they tried to hold on. what we seemed...
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ceiling and impose budgets that cut the government 40% in ten years, the idea behind those crisis mongers is that we have to slash the heck out of social insurance, out of programs that provide educational opportunities for poor people, out of things that push back against economic inequality. we can't afford it. we must cut them. the crisis dictates it. if there is no crisis and, as krugman and i argue, there is no crisis, if there is no crisis, they're just out there in nowhere land by themselves, by the way, without the majority of the electorate behind them. >> very briefly, jared, if you can, eric cantor says taxes are done, no taxes, so i guess another stalemate to come on that? >> i see -- it's hard to see how the budget that's going to come out of the senate, and i think patty murray is going to do a very good job on that, is going to reconcile with the kind of budgets we're looking at. >> jared bernstein who absolutely deserves the nobel peace prize, thank you, sir, thank you for joining us. and we'll be right back. ♪ alright, let's go. ♪ shimmy, shimmy chocolate. ♪ shimmy,
ceiling and impose budgets that cut the government 40% in ten years, the idea behind those crisis mongers is that we have to slash the heck out of social insurance, out of programs that provide educational opportunities for poor people, out of things that push back against economic inequality. we can't afford it. we must cut them. the crisis dictates it. if there is no crisis and, as krugman and i argue, there is no crisis, if there is no crisis, they're just out there in nowhere land by...
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congress voted to suspend the debt ceiling for three months and figure out deeper cuts to reduce the deficit. that keeps me employed for a few more months. but even before that deadline hits, again, march 1st will be on us. the so-called sequester deadline. that's a stupid washington name for a stupid and dangerous washington creation. the automatic across the board spending cuts. and then there's another date to worry about, april 15th. not just tax filing day, but the date by which congress has promised to adopt a budget resolution. they've even this time staked their pay on it, agreeing to reach a deal or face suspension of their paychecks until they reach a deal. that might just be enough of a carrot to present a budget that takes on our ballooning deficit. but the battle over that deficit make that recent battle over tax hikes for the rich seem like a friendly game of badminton. big spending cuts are needed and they will hit americans where it hurts. health care, medicare, social security. president obama emboldened by his re-election has already drawn his so-called line in the
congress voted to suspend the debt ceiling for three months and figure out deeper cuts to reduce the deficit. that keeps me employed for a few more months. but even before that deadline hits, again, march 1st will be on us. the so-called sequester deadline. that's a stupid washington name for a stupid and dangerous washington creation. the automatic across the board spending cuts. and then there's another date to worry about, april 15th. not just tax filing day, but the date by which congress...
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look at sequestration and the spending cuts and the debt ceiling we believe it is all a dog and pony show. there is really not going to get cut, only get large. >>> he never spoke at the inaugural address about balancing the budgets and living within our means and making difficult choices. just the opposite. he seems to want to lock in this permanent welfare dependency mentality in the country which pretty much guarantees america becomess. >> you have this philosophical id long-timal mentality. what we like to think of unfortunately is that politics in washington is a little bit now like professional wrestling okay. there is this demonstration going on but it is kind of scripted and it doesn't really get to the full truth of what is going on. >> sean: there are two other issues we haven't dealt with yet. one is the media. they are not doing specials on this. number two, american people you know what, i don't know if they are either aware or they don't care. you want to weigh in here but the bottom line is they voted in obama. i got chris matthews all mad, he didn't get a tingle up hi
look at sequestration and the spending cuts and the debt ceiling we believe it is all a dog and pony show. there is really not going to get cut, only get large. >>> he never spoke at the inaugural address about balancing the budgets and living within our means and making difficult choices. just the opposite. he seems to want to lock in this permanent welfare dependency mentality in the country which pretty much guarantees america becomess. >> you have this philosophical id...
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when you look at sequestration, the budget, the spending cuts and the debt ceiling, we believe it's a dog-and-pony show. it is not going to get cut, it's only going to get larger. >> he never spoke about the budgets, living within our means, making difficult choices, just the opposite. he seems to want to lock in this permanent welfare, dependency mentality and state which now is in the country, which pretty much guarantees that america becomes greece. >> there is no question, you have a philosophical, ideological commitment to growing government. and you have the sad reality that there are a lot of go-long to get long governments. politics in washington is like professional wrestling. okay? there is this demonstration going on, but it's kind of scripted. it doesn't rae really get to the full truth of what is going on. >> there are two other issues we haven't dealt with yet. one is the media -- they are not doing specials on this. the american people -- you know what? i don't know if they are aware or they don't care -- you want to weigh in here. but the bottom line is, they voted in
when you look at sequestration, the budget, the spending cuts and the debt ceiling, we believe it's a dog-and-pony show. it is not going to get cut, it's only going to get larger. >> he never spoke about the budgets, living within our means, making difficult choices, just the opposite. he seems to want to lock in this permanent welfare, dependency mentality and state which now is in the country, which pretty much guarantees that america becomes greece. >> there is no question, you...
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the tax cut deal, the big fights over the budget and the debt ceiling and deficit reduction, also the bin laden raid and what happened in egypt and libya. and so i'm looking at how obama made the decisions he made and took, why he took the actions he took in that very perilous time politically, but i also explain how this is all done in a way to set up the 2012 campaign that we just went through. he had a theory after he took that big hit in 2010, he had a theory that he could make the 2012 race a choice not just between him and mitt romney, but a choice between different ideologies, different approaches to government, between different sets of visions and values. and everything he did in that time frame he kept trying to tether to this big idea he had about a choice. and when i wrote the book, of course, we can't know how things would end up on november 6, 2012. but, um, i looked at how he developed his governing strategy and his electoral strategy, and it really culminated in november. so this is the back story to what happened in this presidential campaign. >> host: david corn, "sh
the tax cut deal, the big fights over the budget and the debt ceiling and deficit reduction, also the bin laden raid and what happened in egypt and libya. and so i'm looking at how obama made the decisions he made and took, why he took the actions he took in that very perilous time politically, but i also explain how this is all done in a way to set up the 2012 campaign that we just went through. he had a theory after he took that big hit in 2010, he had a theory that he could make the 2012...
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. >> reporter: there will be several skirmishes where the republicans can try out their focus, debt ceiling, and automatic spending cuts set to kick in august 1. but don't count on up compromise. >> we think the sequesters will happen. >> reporter: congressman paul ryan says he's not encouraged by president obama's words so far. >> i decided to not comment between the election and inauguration because i wanted to see what kind of president we're looking at, what kind of path he was putting his administration on. and all of the statements and all the comments lead me to believe he's thinking more of a political conquest than compromise. >> reporter: democrats have been talking the hard line on revenues and gun control. yet on immigration, there seems to be at least a small agreement. >> we are trying to work our way through some very difficult issues. but we are committed to a comprehensive approach to finally in this country have an immigration law that we can live with. >> it's my hope we'll come up with a bipartisan solution. i do think enforcement has to be a big part of it. but again, i
. >> reporter: there will be several skirmishes where the republicans can try out their focus, debt ceiling, and automatic spending cuts set to kick in august 1. but don't count on up compromise. >> we think the sequesters will happen. >> reporter: congressman paul ryan says he's not encouraged by president obama's words so far. >> i decided to not comment between the election and inauguration because i wanted to see what kind of president we're looking at, what kind of...
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that would pay for the last debt ceiling increase. >> the looming deadline is march 1. deputy defense secretary ash carter warned friday that the pentagon's $800,000 civilian employees will face furloughs. and reduce paychecks starting in april, if sequestration is not avoided. pentagon is now planning to eliminate 46,000 temporary civilian workers as a result of these imminent budget cuts. >> i got a perfect storm coming up in the next few months. we have this whole crazy mechanism called sequester. that means $1 trillion will be cut across the board. $500 billion out of defense. across the board. >> in a meat ax approach that will hollow out the force if it happens. >> one of the nation's largest defense contractors general dynamics based in false church virginia reported $2 billion in losses. blaming the upcoming defense cuts. the aerospace industry association estimates that $450,000 jobs will be lost in virginia, maryland and washington, d.c. if dequest ration cuts take place in march, which could be devastating to the local economy. >> we are talking about somethi
that would pay for the last debt ceiling increase. >> the looming deadline is march 1. deputy defense secretary ash carter warned friday that the pentagon's $800,000 civilian employees will face furloughs. and reduce paychecks starting in april, if sequestration is not avoided. pentagon is now planning to eliminate 46,000 temporary civilian workers as a result of these imminent budget cuts. >> i got a perfect storm coming up in the next few months. we have this whole crazy mechanism...
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ceiling and some of the spending cuts and get into some of the fiscal order that you were talking about, you're going to have that weight on it. and even though you proposed a lot of hope with japan in terms of some of the political leadership, they are still at negative growth with 7%. >> exactly. >> with so now you're up to 50% or so of world gdp that is a drag on the economy. how do you look at, you know, the broadest sense of contagion as it relates to emerging market growth and developing country growth with 50% of world gdp possibly in that situationsome. >> well, i think the trade figures tell it all, whether you agree with the figure on growth or not, i think the trade figures show what's happening. and there's no doubt picking one of the countries you've mentioned, china. i mean, china for the last 20 years has been double-digit growth. last year they had one of the worst years in recent memory. we'll see the final figures coming out. it didn't get below 7% which i view as a hard landing, but when you move from double digit down to 7 something percent, and one of the major driv
ceiling and some of the spending cuts and get into some of the fiscal order that you were talking about, you're going to have that weight on it. and even though you proposed a lot of hope with japan in terms of some of the political leadership, they are still at negative growth with 7%. >> exactly. >> with so now you're up to 50% or so of world gdp that is a drag on the economy. how do you look at, you know, the broadest sense of contagion as it relates to emerging market growth and...
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[applause] the house will not consider another vote to increase the debt ceiling unless the senate passes a budget. we are going to point the country in the right direction. we are going to cut spending. [applause] when conservatives disagree on the way forward. we have never marched in lockstep. that is not what we do. and healthy debate is a good and needed thing. we can do that in private without doing it in public. all we ask of each other is thatwe need to give an honest account of our actions and the reasons for that. we should challenge the left and not each other. our founders were men of prudence. take james madison. nowadays they call him the founder of the constitution. but at the constitutional convention, he lost some key governments -- arguments. he fought for plan to give the states the same number of states in the government. he thought it was deeply unjust. in the first, he wanted to give congress even more power. he wanted it to be able to veto state laws. in both cases, madison argued vigorously for his side. and in both cases, he lost that argument. butwhen it came tim
[applause] the house will not consider another vote to increase the debt ceiling unless the senate passes a budget. we are going to point the country in the right direction. we are going to cut spending. [applause] when conservatives disagree on the way forward. we have never marched in lockstep. that is not what we do. and healthy debate is a good and needed thing. we can do that in private without doing it in public. all we ask of each other is thatwe need to give an honest account of our...
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ceiling is no big deal, that we could raise the debt ceiling only if we cut government spending as well. but where were they during those years? those very difficult or years? and incidentally, aye compile -- i've compiled the voting records on the debt increases that president bush requested during those years. and i hope, mr. chairman, i could insert them into the record. >> without objection. >> thank you. many senior members of this committee routinely voted to raise the debt ceiling during those years even though the money for the tax cuts and the wars was put on emergency basis for the purpose of hiding the costs. so i'm pleased that we're coming around to a more reasonable position today, and i hope that we're going to find a common path forward on many of these issues. mr. johnson, you state in your testimony that low unemployment depresses tax revenue, and this is the mayor reason for -- major reason for our current deficits and why they're so large. once the economy recovers fully and the unemployment rate is lowered, it certainly will take some of the pressure off of these di
ceiling is no big deal, that we could raise the debt ceiling only if we cut government spending as well. but where were they during those years? those very difficult or years? and incidentally, aye compile -- i've compiled the voting records on the debt increases that president bush requested during those years. and i hope, mr. chairman, i could insert them into the record. >> without objection. >> thank you. many senior members of this committee routinely voted to raise the debt...
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ceiling so that's not going to restrain us any more they're going to cancel all the spending cuts i'm afraid they're going to use the weaker fourth quarter g.d.p. as justification for cancelling the spending cuts and so the government going to keep on spending the fed is going to keep on printing the monetize the growing deficit and we're marching towards a real economic crisis the united states where the dollar is going to plunge and that's going to send prices and interest rates in america soaring there i want to ask you i want to point out this other justification that the white house is using the white house also blames superstorm sandy for shrinking the economy natural disasters as we now also are disastrous for the economy and also out of the government's hands. well look the government's going to blame everybody but themselves why doesn't the obama administration take a look in the mirror if they want to know why the economy is struggling and believe me it's going to get a lot worse because we still have all this money that we borrowed that we have to deal with always did durin
ceiling so that's not going to restrain us any more they're going to cancel all the spending cuts i'm afraid they're going to use the weaker fourth quarter g.d.p. as justification for cancelling the spending cuts and so the government going to keep on spending the fed is going to keep on printing the monetize the growing deficit and we're marching towards a real economic crisis the united states where the dollar is going to plunge and that's going to send prices and interest rates in america...
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if not that fight, then in the next debt ceiling fight the next debt ceiling fight. the demand nor spending cuts isn't going to go anywhere. >> bill: barney frank, he would be fired up, ready to go. he knows she is issues. he knows the fiscal issues better than anybody else. >> deval patrick said he would be happy to have him. he didn't endorse it per se but he expressed sort of opens to the idea. >> wouldn't be a big learning curve for barney. >> bill: no, not at all. i think it would be very tough for governor patrick not to appoint him. i mean who else could step in and have all of the information and all of the experience you need to really fight for the people. >> i was going to say -- >> bill: now, of course, so is it is sort of a relief the fiscal issues are out of the way and we can talk about something else like maybe immigration reform. very unusual to see these days eight senators, four from each party, agree on anything, correct? >> it is. >> bill: you cover the congress. you're there. >> i do. filibuster reform deal that killed filibuster reform. this is
if not that fight, then in the next debt ceiling fight the next debt ceiling fight. the demand nor spending cuts isn't going to go anywhere. >> bill: barney frank, he would be fired up, ready to go. he knows she is issues. he knows the fiscal issues better than anybody else. >> deval patrick said he would be happy to have him. he didn't endorse it per se but he expressed sort of opens to the idea. >> wouldn't be a big learning curve for barney. >> bill: no, not at all. i...
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it is set to vote on a bill to athe debt ceiling to keep going up through the middle of may had a would delay the ex-penned showdown between democrats and republicans over spending cuts. the house passed a bill last week. >>> president obama says he will sign it if it passes in the senate. >>> we are still following a developing story out of alabama. a-year-old boy is being held hostage and is now going on three days. here is what we know. 63-year-old man boarded a school bus tuesday after fatally shooting the bus driver. he grabbed the 5-year-old sxwoy pled the scene. police tracked the man down but says he has been holding the child hostage for more than 30 hours. neighbors of the man describe him as a loner and survivalist who distrust it is government. you can count on news4 for updates it is a story continues to unfold. >>> metro says it may need to review its procedures with d.c. fire after a chaotic evening commute. an insulator started smoking on the green line and the emergency responder cut the wrong electricity source. that left two trains stopped for hours between the anacos
it is set to vote on a bill to athe debt ceiling to keep going up through the middle of may had a would delay the ex-penned showdown between democrats and republicans over spending cuts. the house passed a bill last week. >>> president obama says he will sign it if it passes in the senate. >>> we are still following a developing story out of alabama. a-year-old boy is being held hostage and is now going on three days. here is what we know. 63-year-old man boarded a school bus...
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senate is expected to vote this afternoon on a bill to suspend the debt ceiling for -- why not suspend it indefinitely? the house passed the measure last week. the senate version includes several republican amendments, matching spending cuts, every dollar increase in the ceiling and that's not expected to get passed. it will suspend it to may the 19th when it will be raised by the amount the treasury borrows in the interim. why -- greg is with us. greg is the economist. can we just get rid of the debt ceiling? it's a real brawl. >> just deep six that sucker like no other country deals with this it ottic device. hey, i'm going to borrow some money, but i'll think twice over whether i'm going to pay the bill when it comes. >> what if it was the founding father himself who said i think we ought to have a debt ceiling so as to avoid fiscal recklessness? >> well, in fact, the debt ceiling, the reason we have one is because up until 100 years ago, we voted on every bond issue individually. so you think it's bad now, just imagine if we had had that situation. but looking forward, though, this
senate is expected to vote this afternoon on a bill to suspend the debt ceiling for -- why not suspend it indefinitely? the house passed the measure last week. the senate version includes several republican amendments, matching spending cuts, every dollar increase in the ceiling and that's not expected to get passed. it will suspend it to may the 19th when it will be raised by the amount the treasury borrows in the interim. why -- greg is with us. greg is the economist. can we just get rid of...
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mark your calendars march 19th when the delayed debt ceiling crisis could come back to haunt us. the budget battle and considering the behavior of possums and ducks begs the question of when those responsible for governing will act more like the people we have elected them to be and less like political animals. with me at the table, arie, vickie, assistant dean, robert and co-founder of no label, david walker, the formal head of the office at gao. nice to have you all here. okay. so -- we have big problems. huge issues that need to be solved in our country. it looks like we are going to be lurching every six weeks to another silly drip drap showdown for four years. is that what we are looking at here? >> what the republicans have done is always keeping this administration on the defense from a fiscal standpoint. your point was brilliant in how you worded it. every six months we have the conversation where the republican party wants to be. they want to rebrand themselves as fiscal austerity and fiscal restraint. medicare part d and iraq. that was so ten years ago. but to my earlie
mark your calendars march 19th when the delayed debt ceiling crisis could come back to haunt us. the budget battle and considering the behavior of possums and ducks begs the question of when those responsible for governing will act more like the people we have elected them to be and less like political animals. with me at the table, arie, vickie, assistant dean, robert and co-founder of no label, david walker, the formal head of the office at gao. nice to have you all here. okay. so -- we have...
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they were treated on the debt ceiling issue trying to tie that to spending cuts. >> right. ashley: where does the gop draw the line in the sand do you think? >> well i'm not sure they're in a position to draw the line right now unfortunately. you know, they control the house and the senate is controlled by the democrats. the white house is controlled by the democrats. so i don't know that they have a lot of power at this point to do very much. i think what the gop should be doing again is continuing the message that actually the challenger, romney had in the campaign, which is what we should be doing is focusing on long-term growth. long-term growth is the cure to most of our ills and if we continue to grow at 2%, we are going to have problems that persist for the next, many, many decades. so we've got to get back to an environment where we have positive business investment. the easiest way to do it by the way is look at the tax side. ashley: yeah. >> we can still have a tax structure that is completely progressive but we have to continue to focus on structures that will en
they were treated on the debt ceiling issue trying to tie that to spending cuts. >> right. ashley: where does the gop draw the line in the sand do you think? >> well i'm not sure they're in a position to draw the line right now unfortunately. you know, they control the house and the senate is controlled by the democrats. the white house is controlled by the democrats. so i don't know that they have a lot of power at this point to do very much. i think what the gop should be doing...
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the treasury has warned the country could default on some loans as early as next month if the debt ceiling isn't lifted. >>> 6:48 now. a local company reporting major losses. they say the reason is defense cuts. cnbc has more live. kayla, good morning. >>> good morning, aaron. general dynamics, one of the nation's biggest federal contractors, reported a huge quarterly loss on wednesday, blaming it largely on defense cuts. the company which is based in falls church, virginia, posted a $2 billion fourth quarter loss on lower than expected sales as shrinking government orders and writedowns hammered the maker of weapon and aircraft. stock dropped as much as 5% in trading before recovering to close up about 1%. analyst attribute that to reassuring comments from the company ceo. >>> the washington's dependence on government and defense contracts makes it vulnerable to the spending cuts put in place by president obama and congress between 2000 and 2010. government procurement spending grew by double digits. last year it fell by more than 5%. back to you. >> thank you. >>> redskins players are be
the treasury has warned the country could default on some loans as early as next month if the debt ceiling isn't lifted. >>> 6:48 now. a local company reporting major losses. they say the reason is defense cuts. cnbc has more live. kayla, good morning. >>> good morning, aaron. general dynamics, one of the nation's biggest federal contractors, reported a huge quarterly loss on wednesday, blaming it largely on defense cuts. the company which is based in falls church, virginia,...
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every dollar increase in the debt ceiling. those amendments expected to be defeated. the bill won't technically raise the debt ceiling, but it will suspend it until may 19th when it will be raised by the amount that the treasury borrows in the interim. that's how it's going to work. and markets, as we've been talking about on a tear this month with the dow having its best january in decades. but will yesterday's surprising drop in gdp reign in the bulls, it says here? let's get a read on the state of the economy. at least it wasn't a -- that kind of rein. there's three of them. anyway, joining us for the next hour is bob bruska. that's fao -- >> no. you cannot. >> fao economics. as becky said at the top, things are going to go really well or the market is going to have an '87 crash. >> i like the binary outlook. >> everything you said was so good until you gout to that point. >> he usually wears one of these very clever ties. >> i'm not going to give him any -- >> there you go, joe. >> you didn't forget because you are getting
every dollar increase in the debt ceiling. those amendments expected to be defeated. the bill won't technically raise the debt ceiling, but it will suspend it until may 19th when it will be raised by the amount that the treasury borrows in the interim. that's how it's going to work. and markets, as we've been talking about on a tear this month with the dow having its best january in decades. but will yesterday's surprising drop in gdp reign in the bulls, it says here? let's get a read on the...
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we've got sequestration coming, we've got the debt ceiling coming again we have to deal with in may. your article, this is a heck of a title, once unthinkable severe spending cuts now seem plausible, how so? >> t.j., what we saw in the congress was a few years ago they put together such big budget cuts, $1.2 trillion in cuts split 50-50 between military spending and domestic spending. and those were so big that everybody agreed at the time that there was no way we would do kind of this across the board budget ax. we're going to come back, we're going to rethink this and we're going to try to get those savings in a more -- in a smarter way. and that hope as it were is pretty much shot now when you talk to the republicans and democrats in the congress. republicans believe many of the deficit hawks out there believe this is the best chance they have for cutting spending. it's going to become law on march 1st. it's already on the way to taking effect. and democrats are happy to replace some of those cuts, particularly in the military side, but they want to do it with tax increases which
we've got sequestration coming, we've got the debt ceiling coming again we have to deal with in may. your article, this is a heck of a title, once unthinkable severe spending cuts now seem plausible, how so? >> t.j., what we saw in the congress was a few years ago they put together such big budget cuts, $1.2 trillion in cuts split 50-50 between military spending and domestic spending. and those were so big that everybody agreed at the time that there was no way we would do kind of this...
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and we're not going to just keep raising the debt ceiling. we're going to make a down payment on debt reduction, and we're going to point the country in the right direction, we're going to cut spending. [applause] you know, there will be times p when conservatives disagree on the way forward. we've never marched in lockstep. that's not what we do. a healthy debate is a good and needed thing. we can deliberate in private without fighting in public. all we should ask of each other is that we give an honest account of our actions and their reasons for them. we should challenge the left, not each other. and if we take the prudent course, you know what? we'll be in really good company. our founders were men of prudence. take james madison. nowadays we call him the founder, the father of the constitution. but at the constitutional convention, he lost some key arguments. you know, he fought the plan to give each state the same number of seats in the senate. he thought it was deeply unjust. and at first he wants -- he wanted congress to be able to ve
and we're not going to just keep raising the debt ceiling. we're going to make a down payment on debt reduction, and we're going to point the country in the right direction, we're going to cut spending. [applause] you know, there will be times p when conservatives disagree on the way forward. we've never marched in lockstep. that's not what we do. a healthy debate is a good and needed thing. we can deliberate in private without fighting in public. all we should ask of each other is that we give...